Looking forward to this conversation! (even if it is going to be late for me ;))
Your comment about rioting in the streets reminds me of this quote attributed to Henry Ford:
> It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
The other very interesting take on the money wound is in the book Existential Kink by Carolyn Elliot. That's another story but one worth looking into IMO.
Thanks, Guy. Whoever said it…it’s mostly true. The sentiment is true. The thing that I think is interesting is that it’s not just a matter of understanding…it’s a matter of feeling the trauma fog that stands in the way of our seeking understanding and truth in this domain. It’s like we have blinders on. Believe me, I know why! But I’m just ready to take them off. Also very curious about Carolyn’s take. EK is really helpful, I think. I love that question: where are we getting off on the situation?
Yes, 'trauma fog' is a good way to put it. I don't know if you saw the recent series by Evan McMullen on The Stoa? His theory is that as 'all complex ecosystems have parasites', and human intersubjective consciousness is a complex ecosystem, it's unlikely to be parasite-free. So from that perspective these parasites (traditionally called demons or egregores or some such occult terminology) are actually 'feeding' on this fog of trauma and constantly influencing us to create more of it. I asked him if it could not all be explained by just trauma alone and his answer was interesting, you can see it here: https://youtu.be/E_ELQuqCsVE?t=3641
He is talking about double binds, and I think money is a big vector in our culture for double binds, in a seriously traumatising 'can't live with it, can't live without it' sort of way. All these really wicked problems do seem to be some sort of double bind when one really looks into the root of them. The taboo around it means we can almost never share our perspective on it in a vulnerable way, and this keeps the whole game going, and means everyone becomes increasingly ashamed and isolated.
So his suggestion is that some cultures use these kinds of double bind as an initiation into their fucked-up way of seeing the world. And it is these cultures which have been 'taken over' or 'possessed' by the 'intersubjective parasites' more than others which do not use double binds as initiations.
In this way, money would be a kind of vector, among others, for passing on generational trauma, which is what I think you are saying in the article.
The EK side of it might be that we have come to enjoy this trauma, in a very BDSM sort of way. When people vote for politicians who very clearly do not have their best interests at heart, and in fact intend the complete opposite, I think there is a similar dynamic at play. The UK is a wonderful example of an S&M relationship between a people and its ruling class, for example.
Looking forward to this conversation! (even if it is going to be late for me ;))
Your comment about rioting in the streets reminds me of this quote attributed to Henry Ford:
> It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
There is [some doubt](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/18247/did-henry-ford-predict-revolution-if-people-understood-the-banking-and-monetary) that it was actually him but he definitely did say something similar in a book.
The other very interesting take on the money wound is in the book Existential Kink by Carolyn Elliot. That's another story but one worth looking into IMO.
Thanks, Guy. Whoever said it…it’s mostly true. The sentiment is true. The thing that I think is interesting is that it’s not just a matter of understanding…it’s a matter of feeling the trauma fog that stands in the way of our seeking understanding and truth in this domain. It’s like we have blinders on. Believe me, I know why! But I’m just ready to take them off. Also very curious about Carolyn’s take. EK is really helpful, I think. I love that question: where are we getting off on the situation?
Yes, 'trauma fog' is a good way to put it. I don't know if you saw the recent series by Evan McMullen on The Stoa? His theory is that as 'all complex ecosystems have parasites', and human intersubjective consciousness is a complex ecosystem, it's unlikely to be parasite-free. So from that perspective these parasites (traditionally called demons or egregores or some such occult terminology) are actually 'feeding' on this fog of trauma and constantly influencing us to create more of it. I asked him if it could not all be explained by just trauma alone and his answer was interesting, you can see it here: https://youtu.be/E_ELQuqCsVE?t=3641
He is talking about double binds, and I think money is a big vector in our culture for double binds, in a seriously traumatising 'can't live with it, can't live without it' sort of way. All these really wicked problems do seem to be some sort of double bind when one really looks into the root of them. The taboo around it means we can almost never share our perspective on it in a vulnerable way, and this keeps the whole game going, and means everyone becomes increasingly ashamed and isolated.
So his suggestion is that some cultures use these kinds of double bind as an initiation into their fucked-up way of seeing the world. And it is these cultures which have been 'taken over' or 'possessed' by the 'intersubjective parasites' more than others which do not use double binds as initiations.
In this way, money would be a kind of vector, among others, for passing on generational trauma, which is what I think you are saying in the article.
The EK side of it might be that we have come to enjoy this trauma, in a very BDSM sort of way. When people vote for politicians who very clearly do not have their best interests at heart, and in fact intend the complete opposite, I think there is a similar dynamic at play. The UK is a wonderful example of an S&M relationship between a people and its ruling class, for example.